14# Overcoming Trauma and Depression: Somatic Work and the Transformative Power of Ayahuasca with Rehmat
In this episode of the Asian Female Entrepreneur Show, Sharn welcomes Rehmat, a previous client and friend, to discuss her journey from deep depression in her twenties to becoming an advocate for trauma alchemy. Rehmat shares her struggles, the concept of big T and little T traumas, how trauma affects the nervous system, and the methodologies she has developed to help others heal. The conversation also touches on the stigmatisation of trauma within Asian communities, the importance of integrating somatic work, and Rehmat's transformative experiences with ayahuasca. They discuss the dualities of life, especially in challenging times, and the significance of feeling safe in one's body for overall well-being and success. The episode provides a holistic view of trauma healing, combining scientific and spiritual approaches.
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Transcript
So today, we have the amazing Ramith from Trauma Alchemist. Hello, hello. Remeth, it's so great to have you on. I'm so excited for this podcast and unpacking all things trauma and so many other wild and wonderful things that we're going to talk about. But before we start, can you just share a little bit about yourself with the listeners?
[:And there was no hope and I lived like that for, for years and years, probably a whole decade until I found this somatic work and I went deep into my trauma alchemy and I discovered this person who is happy and joyful and light and fun and laughs a lot and is able to just enjoy life and feel safe in her body.
And so I've made it my, like, mission in life to support. Other women to be able to go through that transformation themselves with support that I didn't have, with containers that I didn't have, with an actual methodology that I didn't have because for me it was just trial and error. I
[: [: [: [: you know, they lived through:It's any experience that made you feel unsafe in your body. And that can be literally anything. We have this, concept in the trauma world of big T trauma and little T trauma. I was just
[: [:And little T trauma is divorce, losing a pet, losing a grandparent. And I actually am really moving away from this whole big T trauma, little T trauma thing because it doesn't make sense to me anymore because the response in the nervous system is exactly the same whether you experience big T or little T trauma.
So it's actually like not helpful at all to minimize little T trauma and be like, well, that's not as traumatic because. It affects your nervous system in the same way, and we have to do the same thing in order to heal and alchemize that. So, for me, I'm like moving away from, this is a big trauma, this is a small trauma, and I'm like, if it was traumatic for you, then it's trauma.
And that's, that's how it is. And there's so much of what we carry, which we Can't even, like, understand or comprehend because it can be ancestral stuff that we just carry in our bodies, in our energetic bodies. It can be from past lives. There's so much that I think we will never Understand. And that's where it gets really interesting because I have like a lot of clients who come to me and they're like, I just like, I just feel a certain way.
I just feel unsafe when this happens. I just get really triggered and I don't know why. And it's like, you know what? We don't always have to know why. Let's just go into the body and feel where that is and sit with that stuff and alchemize it and release it. So that's where my work gets a bit like woo woo and a bit away from the scientific side.
What I find really interesting about my work is that I straddle both of those. I straddle the woo woo and the scientific like, you know, real scientific backed peer reviewed studies. stuff. So it's a really interesting world.
[:I just knew it. I was like, Ramona's gonna have something to say about this. So in terms of like not feeling safe in your body, I think that's such an interesting concept. And I think a lot of Asian women do actually feel like a lot of women feel like that. They don't feel safe. They don't feel secure.
Their nervous system feels dysregulated where obviously that's come from trauma. Like, why, why, why else do you think that is, also, like?
[:So I was dissociated from my body. I actually couldn't feel anything. I felt numb. And so I couldn't experience pleasure. I couldn't experience pain, I couldn't experience anything, and I remember when I first started going to yoga classes, I, the teacher was like, you know, do your cat cow, which is like a spinal movement, like all these basic movements, and I couldn't, like, my spine wouldn't move, and all of the things that she was saying, like, I was like, I don't know how to connect my brain to my body.
It makes me think of in Kill Bill when she's, when she's like, wiggle your big toe. Like, I just couldn't, I was like, I know what I want my body to do, but it's not doing it. And that's how I realized that I was so disconnected from my body. So often feeling unsafe in your body actually starts with, I'm actually really disconnected from my body.
And then As you start to connect with your body, that's when things start to really shift and you start to be able to find safety in your body. And now I'm at a place where when I get dysregulated, which happens, it's like, I think it's like such a misconception that You just get to a place where you're healed and your nervous system is just totally calm and you're just totally relaxed and someone can like, you know, have a go at you on the street and you can be like, Oh, no worries.
You know, like that's not, that's not how it's meant to be like, that doesn't make any sense. and so, yeah, being able to get to this place of like, yes, my nervous system gets dysregulated because that's what nervous systems do. But being able to notice that, yeah. and being able to notice, Oh, I feel a little bit unsafe in my body and being able to be with that dysregulation until it comes back to regulation.
It's not about having a regulated nervous system forever.
[: [: [: [:So like the nervous system is so perfect and it's built so amazingly so that it can do. It can support us to do what we need to do. So if you need to run away, if you need to fight all of the blood is going to rush into your arms and legs so that you can do that. What happens then though is that we get digestive issues.
We get those kind of things happening because there's no blood there and that's not a priority. So digestion is not a priority anymore. So gut health issues.we also have a, like a faster heartbeat. faster breathing, shallower breaths through the chest, and so another thing that happens is that some hormones like Adrenaline are released into the body and cortisol, and so what that creates is often like this feeling of anxiety or this feeling of like extra energy, that needs to be like released.
So that's our fight or flight. We've also got our freeze and our fawn. The freeze response is what I was in in my twenties. So just, just can't feel anything. Can't feel anything, feel completely disconnected to my body. And the fawn response, this is one that is not talked about as much as the others. The fawn response is basically the people pleaser.
And I see it a lot in brown women, in Asian women. And because we are brought up to be people pleasers. And we, you know, think about all of the like, Asian female role models in your family, they're probably all people pleasers,
[: [:So caring a lot about what other people think. That's such an Asian woman thing. You know, keeping yourself small because you just want to be liked, you know. And it comes from a safety place of I need to fit into this pack because this pack is going to protect me and keep me safe.
[:Yes. And that comes from obviously cave women, caveman days. And. That's what we're all, like, that's like one of the biggest fears of people being rejected and abandoned. It's literally such a big core wound and then our businesses show us that wound constantly. through social media, clients saying no, not getting clients.
Everything in business actually can be very dysregulating, right?
[:It's going to show up in your business. And safety is so much around like our core needs being met. We have this hierarchy of needs which was created by
[: [:It's never going to work because you don't have a strong foundation. It reminds me actually of the tower card in Tarot. So the tower, if you don't know about Tarot, the tower card is, so obviously there's a tower and there's lightning striking the tower. And so the tower is about to like completely crumble.
But the thing is the tower was never built on a strong foundation. So the foundation is cracking anyway. And so that's what happens in business when. You don't have this like, real deep feeling of safety within your nervous system.
[:Yes, of course it's not, it's going to dysregulate you. So many people think, when I have that big launch, when I'm fully booked, when I have more money, when I have more clients, I'm going to get safety.
[: [: [:Like one day doesn't exist. It's either now, do you feel safe now? Or, like, that's it, you know?
[: [:You feel your chest rising and falling. Also your shoulders rise and fall, right? Yeah. Belly breath. So belly breath is harder because we are not used to breathing into our belly, but it looks like this.
[: [:They're going to breathe into their chest. They're going to breathe these like really shallow breaths into their chest. And then next time you see a baby, watch how they breathe. Babies have like these big like deep belly breaths. So at some point we went from a lovely calm regulated nervous system to a dysregulated nervous system.
And all we have to do, the breath is like the remote control for your nervous system. It's like such a simple way to tap into it. All you have to do is shift the way you breathe. That's a really, really simple technique that I hope everyone takes away with them. Just breathe into your belly. So you can do it for like five breaths for 10 breaths.
And if it doesn't come straight away, what usually happens is so when, for example, when I teach this in my. yoga classes, people will, their chest hand is just moving. And some of them actually think they're doing it. And it's like, no, you're not. It might take a few tries, but at some point your belly is going to start to move.
It's going to start to expand and soften. And that's when you know, okay, I'm starting to build a relationship with my nervous system. And now I can start to shift. Where it goes and which direction I'm going in and how I feel so yeah belly breath five breaths ten breaths However many you need
[:You know, you said about you didn't feel safe in your body and I think a lot of Asian women do feel like that because of the trauma that we've been through, like from like being a child. Yeah. so many of us have been body shamed There has been so much shame around body in general. Like, you know, my parents, like before I got married, I wasn't allowed to wear like sleeveless like dresses.
Like I wasn't allowed to wear a bindi. It sounds so ridiculous when I say out loud now because it's moved on a lot in the last kind of 10 years. Like, there is so much shame around the body as well. Like, you know, if you think about, just like our cultures and stuff, like, you know. People aren't empowered to show what they want to show.
Like, why do you think, why do you think we, we do feel like unsafe in our bodies? What is that?
[:So I would say 99 percent of my clients have a sexual abuse history. And also when I talk to my friends and my family, I would say at least 90 percent of them have a sexual abuse history. And so it's such a common. normalized thing. And again, whether it's like a big thing or a small thing doesn't matter.
It literally doesn't matter. And so that's a huge part of why we feel unsafe in our bodies. I think also we're not taught to, love our bodies or to appreciate our bodies. You know, we are a migrant community. And yes, our, you know, our generation is now shifting things and becoming more vulnerable. Yeah.
you know, observant of how we are and who we are and being able to build and grow. But that has not been the case for very long. And then you've also got, like, if you think about it, it might be that in our generation, there was some member of the family that when we were born went, Oh, better luck next time.
That's our generation. And if it didn't happen in our generation, for sure it happened in our parents generation. That's not even that long ago. So think about what that does to a girl to believe that you are completely unworthy. Like you are literally like the lowest of the low because no one actually wanted you to be born.
Like think about that. And even if that didn't happen to our parents, for sure it happened to our grandparents where someone was like, Oh, you know, if only it was a boy, you know? So it goes. Not even that far back. And that's why we live with this deep, deep unworthiness, rejection, abandonment wound. Because, you know, only two or three generations up.
We were literally not wanted.
[:That's just crazy. I never thought of it like that, actually. Yeah. That's very interesting. Yeah,
[: [: [: [:So like you've gone through like a massive rebrand, just showing up fully as yourself now. Yeah. And I think that the more we show up fully as ourselves online, Creatively and with the more we express ourselves, I do think has got, a direct correlation with success because you're coming back to your most authentic self.
And that most authentic self is that magnetic energy that people are drawn to. You don't have to say anything. It's just the way that you're being. Yeah. So. What, apart from like your trauma journey, like healing journey, what else has helped you? Because you've been to Ayahuasca, haven't you?
[: [: [:And when you drink the plant, you journey with the spirit and you receive the healing. Ayahuasca is the deepest, I think it's the deepest healing you can do. And it's, it's intense. So let me just, let me just paint you a picture. So this ceremony happens at night. And so it happens in this, this Malacca, which is like this beautiful wooden circular space.
And so it's pitch black. And each of you goes up and you drink this thick black liquid. Which tastes like the most awful thing known to man. So you down it, and then after about an hour, everyone starts vomiting. So everyone's just being sick around you. Everyone's got a little bucket. there's a huge amount of purging going on.
Sometimes there's other purging. There's all sorts of purging going on. And then after that, you go on a psychedelic trip. And what is really common is that you experience your own death. So you watch yourself dying, and of course, You think that it's real and it's happening right now. So everyone has a vision of that?
Not everyone. I haven't had a vision of that. But that's the most common one. And so it is the deepest trauma work that you will ever do. For sure. For sure. It's not to be taken lightly.
[: [: [: [:obviously I was like, I was telling lots of people and the people that I knew who had sat with Ayahuasca, they were like, your life is going to change. And everyone said that, they were like, your life is going to change, your life is going to change. And I was just like, yeah, but. You know, like just like a little part of my life is going to change probably like I'll just have like some up level somewhere and but like, you know, the basis of my life is going to stay the same.
I was like happily married for like five years at that point, like really, really solid marriage. You know, we'd bought our own house. I was really happy. I was like, cool. I'm just going to work on like, I really went to work on my relationship with my mum. So I was like, that relationship is just going to transform and everything else is going to stay the same.
And everyone, everyone was like, no, but your life is going to change. And I was like, okay, but I know how it's going to change just in that one area. My life changed.
My life completely changed, completely changed. so I ended up going through a shock divorce that I didn't choose. just like completely out of the blue. And yeah, I, I, I will say that I'm still definitely very much in that process. So I'm not at the other end of being like, wow, I know why that happened.
I'm getting there.but I will say that ayahuasca shakes. Everything up for you and Ayahuasca removes what is not for your highest good and she does it in weird and wonderful ways. So if you're thinking about journey with it or if anyone listening is.I will say that you cannot predict how it is gonna change your life. You literally cannot predict. So, but it will change your life. It will literally change your life. I haven't met anyone who sat with Ayahuasca and were like, yeah, I'm just like the same
I love that so much.
[:And I think when divine timing. It will happen and like a couple of times actually I've gone to book it but the dates just don't align, you know, because you have to really, because I think I would want to go on the seven days. Yes. And then beforehand you have to, there's a whole protocol, isn't there? And then obviously afterwards and it really is N10 like three, three, three weeks, right?
[: [: [: [: [: [: [:And I would say that everyone who wants to sit with ayahuasca should do some trauma work beforehand. So that you're not, you know, completely going in the deep end. Like do some, you know, quite intensive breath work. Because that's kind of a similar experience to the psychedelic trip.
[:Is it, do you just literally see visions and is it very like clear? Yeah,
[:and the different, so I've sat with different, tribes and each tribe has their own, like mixture of ayahuasca. And so each snake is different. So, the first time I sat with Ayahuasca it was like a thick green snake, the second time it was like a thin red one, and yeah, so each, each, trip is very, very different, you never know which direction it's going to go in, some are really positive experiences, some are really, really hard.
My last, journey in Costa Rica was really, really hard and it showed me, it showed me all of the parts of myself that I really struggled to love and it was so, so, so hard to sit with those parts of myself. And Yeah, some some journeys are really, really uncomfortable and some journeys are so beautiful.
I had one journey where my, so you set an intention before each one. My intention was to learn how to love my body. And it was hilarious because I got I had purged. I got to the point where I was like having this trip and I couldn't see anything. But what I was doing was I was, I kept doing this and I couldn't stop and I was like, Oh my God, I literally look insane and then I was like patting my arm literally hours, I think.
And then I was like touching my face. I was like, then I cried and cried like I cried so hard because I was so grateful for my body and the fact that I could walk and swim and like jump and run and surf and I was just like all of these things that I had just taken for granted. And so that was a really beautiful, you know, journey and experience, but that last one in Costa Rica was awful.
It was awful. It was so, so hard. I went to the darkest place I've ever been, and I felt like I would never come out of it. Wow. So it's, and they say as well, like If you try and, try and steer it in a certain direction or have expectations, it will go the opposite way. And that was my last ceremony and I was like, oh, I'm just gonna have a lovely, like, final ceremony and it's just gonna be like, just really nice and soft and gentle.
And I took less of the medicine and I just had the worst trip.
[: [:Yeah. I don't think I will ever understand. What it does and how it does it. All I know is that it changes your life. It changes everything.
[:Like, you have to really, search for it. Obviously, it's, we're not, it's illegal, right, in this country, isn't it? Yeah.
[: [: [:So they, while we were there. We did a lot of integration work and we also received like an online integration program. So I followed that. I also did lots and lots of journaling. They taught us how to journal on these specific events.and Yeah, I, I just really sat with myself and I sat with how it felt in my body and I, you know, I went to my Oracle cards and I did all of those things and that was a really important part of my practice and that integration work actually really informed the trauma work that I.
offer. So the whole ayahuasca journey I've just realized now really impacted my business because from it I created a methodology called the trauma alchemy method and that is all about building safety, doing the deep trauma alchemy work and then doing the integration. And so I feel like I know a lot about these three parts of the process and they're just as important as each other.
But I would say the integration if you skip that, Like, it's such a huge shame. It's really important to do the integration work because it's all well and good. So, for example, in that final ayahuasca ceremony, when I was really in the thick of it, Oh God, I felt so awful and I had to call one of the facilitators and I was just like, I literally went, help me.
And she was like, what's going on? And while I was, while she was talking to me, the thing is you're like, You're having a psychedelic trip, so you're trying to talk to someone, but you also are like, what are you saying? So you're like
[:Oh my god, no way. And she had all this
[:What I saw was like a dead tree trunk and, there was someone who was like soaring into it. And so like. As as they were soaring into it, obviously, like this groove was being created. And then if you try and take the saw like a centimeter to the right to try and make another incision, it's just going to keep falling into that original groove because it's so, you know, it's so close.
Yeah, that groove is deeper. So it's just going to keep falling in. And yeah. What she showed me in this weird psychedelic place that I was in was that these grooves are like thought processes. So If you have this like ingrained thought process around like, for example, unworthiness, your sore is always going to fall into that because it's, you know, you've gone back and forth on that same thought for probably generations.
And what is needed is to pick up the sore and put it somewhere else and start creating a thought pattern, which goes even deeper than that. Original one. So that was like the medicine that I received from that ceremony, along with some other stuff. but yeah, that, that was a particularly tough ceremony, but you always receive some.
Everyone says that even the hardest ceremonies are the ones where you actually learn the most. And I think I, I think I did. That ceremony changed a lot for me because it was like. You can actually shift your thoughts. It's sometimes it's not that deep. Sometimes it's just like, okay, let me just think another thought and just keep thinking it until it becomes solid.
You know, I'm not like minimizing this trauma world. And I'm not saying like, you can just change your thoughts because obviously that's not the work that I do. The work that I do is about going into the body and looking at and sitting with your trauma and releasing it and alchemizing it. But I do.
There's also a part of me that's like, it's not always that deep.
[: [:I don't want my clients to be alchemizing their trauma every day of their life. It's a tough, tough world. You're going deep into your shadow work. It's not a place that you want to stay in every day of your life. Yes, we receive so much from alchemizing this stuff and letting go of it. And we get to live like a lighter, happier life.
But it's not about Staying there, you know, sometimes it's just not that deep.
[:Of changing your thoughts and changing your fucking energy. That's all it takes. Sometimes we just get stuck in ruts and, you know, things happen and you just think, you know what, I just need to change my energy, change my thoughts.
[:We've got stories for everything. I just had, you know, my own healing session yesterday and over and over again, I was like, this is, this is what's going on for me. And she was like, that's the story. And I was like, Oh, shit. And then I was like, Oh, she was like, How does that make you feel? And then I was like, I feel like she was like, you've gone back into your story.
Like we that's what we do. But the antidote is going into the body and doing this somatic work. And being able to release it from there and being able to find safety in your body and moving away from the stories. I love
[:And if you're, if you're hardwired to think always negatively, you'll always have a story around something. Yeah. And literally. Your reality is based on your perception, you know,
[:That's just like no you
[: [:That makes me feel like I'm doing something worthwhile when I can watch clients basically going from surviving to thriving. Yeah,
[:But like, have you found like, because I think with divorce and separation, I think it's getting so common now, actually. So common. you're hearing about it all the time. And I think, I think from a perspective of Asian women and Asian families, there's like a lot of shame attached because You know, as, as women, we're just told, well, I definitely was, you know.
Get an education, get married, have children and that's the pinnacle of success, you know, and I've actually loved doing things really differently and I'm, I'm really lucky that I've got a really amazing partner, husband, but did you feel like shame around when it didn't work? Oh, of course.
[:Journey is that usually it's the woman who leaves and usually it's the woman who decides that, you know, she's not happy and she wants to leave and then takes her time and then she leaves. So there's like a process. Firstly, I think it's more empowering when you're the one that leaves when you're the one that makes that decision.
And secondly, you kind of get the time to sort of process it yourself and then do the legal side or, you know, In my instance, it was like completely out of the blue and he left and so I will say that it was, I think it was more of a disempowering process being the one that was left what's really helped me is these practices so what I'm really, really proud of and yes, it's still like fairly early days and we're still going through a divorce, but what I'm so proud of and The reason why I can say with 100 percent certainty that these techniques work is that I didn't go into like a victim mentality.
I have so much love for my ex husband and his whole family. I have nothing but love. I have no, literally no negative feelings towards them. And I can say that with like, like my whole body is saying that, like with complete certainty. I never went into a place of victimhood, I never felt bitter, I never felt resentful that this had happened to me and why is this happening.
I. Have just surrendered to the entire process and I know although, you know, some days it's hard. I'm, I'm just going to take myself off the pedestal for a second and say, you know what? I have cried a lot in this process and I have been to some really dark places, but I'm really, I can say, like, hand on my heart with absolute certainty.
This stuff works. And I would rather be here with only love and only compassion. Then be, you know, in a place where I didn't have all of these somatic practices and I would 100 percent be feeling resentful and bitter because what woman wouldn't, you know, that's, that's going to be your default response and everyone knows a divorced woman who is resentful and bitter, right?
You know, so these practices work, they really work. I've really held myself through this whole process. I took myself, on five retreats last year, which was a lot. but one of them, I did a Temezcal, which is a sweat lodge in, Tulum in Mexico. And what it is, is it'sagain, a circular, like, sort of mud hut, and in the centre, they put these boiling hot stones.
So they start with four stones, and then that's round one. And the heat radiates off these stones, and so it becomes a sweat lodge. And so, and it's pitch black. It's pitch black. Oh my god. Each round, there were four rounds. Each round they put in another four stones. So by the final round, it's so hot you can't breathe.
You literally can't breathe. And each round, I released a new layer of pain around my divorce. And by the time I left that sweat lodge, Something enormous had shifted and I just didn't feel like before I had felt anger, for sure,
[: [:That I am still enjoying and experiencing today. And so there are so many somatic practices. There are the ones that I share and the ones that I'm trained in. But there are so many others and they all work. There's no like one modality. I feel like we all like know this one person who's like, Oh my God, I just did this like EMDR session and it's changed my life.
And then six months later. They're like, Oh, I'm feeling really shit again, or Oh, I tried this other like, you know, it's, it's never just one thing. And that's why I really am proud of my trauma alchemy method, because it's a whole methodology for moving through this stuff. And the way that I experienced my trauma, my previous trauma healing journey was so much like trial and error.
Like, let me just try this modality. Let me just try this one. I don't really know what I'm doing. Whereas the trauma alchemy method is literally like, follow this process. Yeah, this is how you get from A to B.
[: [:People often come to me and they're like, so, is like a month enough, long enough to heal my trauma? And I'm like, love, love. I mean, it doesn't work that way. I'm sorry. Like if I, if I was like, yeah, yeah, just work with me for a month and your trauma will be gone. Like that would be really irresponsible of me.
You never know how long it's going to take. Sometimes. Particularly with my one to one clients, I, I will often be like, it's not going to be like, linear, like, it's just going to go up. It's going to go down. 100%. Because you're going into your trauma. Yeah. And then I've had some clients where it starts to go up, but then we hit like some really deep, really painful trauma and then it's like down again and that's, that's the process.
But. There's like, there is an upward trajectory. And I think that's what's important.
[:and we were before this, we were just saying actually You know, last year, I didn't, towards the end of the year, I didn't really work, to be honest.and you were saying, you need to get back into, back into things. How did you like manage your business when you were like, Going through all of this, obviously, I think the other thing is like I last year I was fully booked with one to one clients, which is amazing.
But like for me to take a month off, like would have been like last year, especially completely wild when you've got commitments, when you've got programs. So how did you like manage that all?
[:In fact, those first few months where everything was the most raw that it's been, I was so creative. I was so connected to myself. I was so connected to, like, spirit, God, the universe. And programs were just flowing out of me. And every ceremony that I held had so much potency and magic in it,
[: [:I was so magnetic. And so, so for example, So, my ex husband left in May. In May is when I went on my first retreat of the year. On the way back from my retreat, I downloaded, from the universe, my entire Maharani program.
Literally, it downloaded into my journal, like all four months of it, every single session because I was so connected to spirit to source.
It just came through. And so my reframe is, it's not about being like happy all the time. That's not when. You know, everything is working out for us sometimes when we are most deeply connected to ourselves and our authenticity is when things are flowing out of us and I think that's like a, a reframe generally for trauma work, like it's not, it's not about like love and light and like just being happy all the time, like it's also about diving deep into the heavy stuff and laughing in that, you know, phase as well.
I have laughed so much in these last nine months. I've laughed, I think, more than I've laughed in the last few years with my friends.
[: [:I've done the most beautiful and gorgeous and awe inspiring things. And I've had the most incredible experiences. So life is not just about either you're happy or you're sad. You know, it's a mixture of everything. And I think normalizing that And moving away from like this, like Instagram picture perfect thing and just being authentic and going, this is what my day looks like today and I'm okay with that and I'm not gonna judge myself.
I think that's such a big part of this healing work and being able to surrender into that.
[:And I think also in our culture, I think we're conditioned to, you know, when that tragedy hits. To be like, you know, like there's just like a narrative around it. We all know what it is, you know, like, do you just be really miserable, play the victim, you know, be really sad. And yes, of course, there's like moments for sadness.
Of course there is. And you need time to process, but actually like. You know, there's time for being happy as well and being joyful and working through it and not for me, especially. I just can't be in that place for too long, you know, like grief and all of those things. And I think, and I totally agree. I think when I was going through the really rough time, my coaching calls actually felt like.
therapy. Yeah, because I just felt like, Oh my God, like I'm doing something for someone else. And that's just like so powerful in itself. And it just really, really helped me. Yeah. Oh my God, Ramit, we could literally go on and on. I feel like we could. Time has literally just I think there's going to be a part two.
Like I always say to all of my guests, like time has gone so quick, but where can everyone find you Ramith?
[: [:Yeah, I love it. Thank you so much, Rama. It's been amazing having you on the podcast. Oh, thanks for inviting me.
